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'''Allgemein'''
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'''General'''
* Hersteller: [[Sony]]
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* Manufacturer: [[Sony]]
* Modell: TA-F570 ES
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* Model: TA-F570 ES
* Typ: Vollverstärker
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* Type: Integrated amplifier
* Baujahre: 1991 - 1992
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* Years of manufacture: 1991 - 1992
* Farbe: Schwarz
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* Color: Black
* Leistungsaufnahme: 260 W
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* Power consumption: 260 W
* Abmessungen: 430 x 150 x 375 mm (BxHxT)
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* Dimensions: 430 x 150 x 375 mm (WxHxD)
* Gewicht: 12 kg  
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* Weight: 12 kg  
* Neupreis ca.: 700 DM
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* Original price approx.: 700 DM
  
  
'''Technische Daten'''
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'''Technical data'''
  
*Dauerleistung (bei Klirrfaktor)
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*continuous power (at distortion factor)
** 4 Ohm: 2 x 120 W bei 0,01%
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** 4 Ohm: 2 x 120 W at 0.01%
** 6 Ohm: 2 x 95 W bei 0,006%
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** 6 Ohm: 2 x 95 W at 0,006%
** 8 Ohm: 2 x 90 W bei 0,004%
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8 Ohm: 2 x 90 W at 0.004% *dynamic power (at distortion factor)
*Dynamikleistung (bei Klirrfaktor)
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*Dynamic power (with distortion factor)
** 4 Ohm: 2 x 175 W bei 0,01%
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4 Ohm: 2 x 175 W at 0.01% ** 6 Ohm: 2 x 115 W at 0.01% ** 8 Ohm: 2 x 175 W at 0.006
** 6 Ohm: 2 x 115 W bei 0,006%
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** 6 Ohm: 2 x 115 W at 0.006% *dynamic power (with distortion factor)
** 8 Ohm: 2 x 100 W bei 0,004%
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8 Ohm: 2 x 100 W at 0.004% *Phono input (switched)
*Phonoeingang (schaltbar MM oder MC).
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*Phono input (switchable MM or MC).
*Chinch-Ein- und -Ausgänge vergoldet
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*Chinch inputs and outputs gold-plated
*Kopfhörerbuchse (Klinke 3,5 mm) vergoldet
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*Headphone jack (jack 3.5 mm) gold-plated
*REC-Out-Selector.
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*REC-Out selector.
*Gehäuse ist seidenglanz-matt schwarz und Vollmetall.  
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*Housing is satin black and full metal.  
*Dämpfungsfaktor: 100
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*Damping factor: 100
*Frequenzgang: 10Hz - 100kHz
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*Frequency response: 10Hz - 100kHz
*Klangregelung: ja, abschaltbar
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*Tone control: yes, can be switched off
*Bass: bei 100Hz +-7db
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*Bass: at 100Hz +-7db
*Höhen: bei 10kHz +-6db
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treble: at 10kHz +-6db
*Loudness: nein
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*Loudness: no
*High Filter: nein
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*High Filter: no
*Mute: ja, -20db
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*Mute: yes, -20db
*Direct/Line-Straight: ja
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*Direct/Line-Straight: yes
  
===Anschlüsse===  
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===Connections===  
*8 Eingänge: Tuner, CD, Direct In, Tape 1,2, Adapter, Aux (150mV, 20 KOhm), 1x Phono MM/MC (2,5mV, 50KOhm / 0,17mV, 100Ohm)
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*8 inputs: Tuner, CD, Direct In, Tape 1,2, Adapter, Aux (150mV, 20 KOhm), 1x Phono MM/MC (2,5mV, 50KOhm / 0,17mV, 100Ohm)
*3 Ausgänge: Tape 1,2 Adaptor (150mV, 1 kOhm)
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*3 outputs: Tape 1,2 Adaptor (150mV, 1 kOhm)
* Die Adapterschleife ist nicht separat schaltbar und muss im Normalbetrieb immer geschlossen sein. Entsprechend gibt es zwei
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* The adaptor loop cannot be switched separately and must always be closed during normal operation. Accordingly, there are two jumpers for it on the rear panel.
Steckbrücken dafür am rückseitigen Anschlussfeld.
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The switchable Direct-In input bypasses the Input- and Rec-Out-Selector.
* Der schaltbare Direct-In Eingang umgeht Input- und Rec-Out-Selector.
 
===Besonderheiten===
 
Siehe Text
 
  
===Bilder===
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===Special features===  
[[Datei:Sony TA - F 570 ES.jpg]]
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See text
  
===Bemerkungen===
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===Pictures===
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[[File:Sony TA - F 570 ES.jpg]]
  
Der F570ES ist ein mechanisch solider,servicefreundlich und sauber aufgebauter Vollverstärker nach klassischem Konzept. Er bietet
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===Remarks===
die seinerzeit übliche Konnektivität,bei im Detail durchaus unpraktischen Bedienfeatures wie z.B. einer nicht separat schaltbaren
 
Adapterschleife.
 
  
Die Phonovorstufe wurde praktisch 1:1 aus dem Topmodell des Normal-Hifi-Programms übernommen welche als I-Tüpfelchen mit zwei Markenelkos
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The F570ES is a mechanically solid,serviceable and cleanly built integrated amplifier based on a classic concept. It offers
in der Spannungsversorgung garniert wurde. Anders als in den Mittelklassemodellen ist jedoch die Vorstufe. Sitzt da zumeist ein Opamp als
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the usual connectivity of its time, but in detail quite impractical operating features like a not separately switchable adapter loop.
Lineverstärker,gibt es im F570ES eine rein passive Vor-/Klangregelstufe.
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adapter loop.
Im Gegensatz zu den Vormodellen (F550/F530) sind die Endstufenfrontends im F570ES wieder diskret aufgebaut. Die Ausgangstransistoren sind
 
jedoch bipolare Typen und nicht wie in den nachfolgenden Modellen Leistungs-FETs. Tatsächlich sind die Endstufen (fast) ein Lehrbuch High-fT
 
SEPP Class A/B design. Allerdings mit einer ziemlich respektablen Bestückung an aktiven Elementen sowie getrennter Spannungsversorgung von
 
Frontend und Ausgangsstufe,was in sehr niedrigen Verzerrungen und satter Ausgangsleistung resultiert.
 
Nicht so berauschend ist die passive Bauteilbestückung. Sie ist zwar durchaus mit höherwertigen Komponenten versehen als im Mittelklasseangebot
 
aber entspricht z.B. nicht dem Qualitätsstandart den Sony in den größeren Modellen der rund zehn Jahre älteren TA-AX Reihe zeigte.
 
Hier wurde also etwas gespart. Nicht gegeizt wurde dagegen bei den fetten Siebelkos direkt hinter den Gleichrichtern und dem sehr ordentlichen Gußkühlkörper.
 
  
Neu war der F570ES zumindest mit Hochpegelquellen klanglich schon Spitzenklasse. Und auch nierderohmige Lasten treiben die fetten Sanken Leistungs-
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The phono preamplifier was taken over practically 1:1 from the top model of the normal hi-fi program, which was garnished with two branded electrolytic capacitors in the power supply.
transistoren längst nicht so schnell ins schwitzen wie die eher zierlichen FETs in späteren Modellen dieser Reihe bis zum FA30ES.
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in the power supply. Different from the mid-range models, however, is the preamplifier. If there is usually an opamp as a
Allerdings nagt der Zahn der Zeit vor allem an den billigen Elkos in den Endstufenfrontends,was eine schleichende klangliche Verschlechterung be-
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the F570ES has a purely passive pre-amp/sound control stage.
wirkt die je nach Dauerbeanspruchung des Gerätes mehr oder weniger deutlich zu Tage tritt. Kein Wunder also das der F570ES keine Seltenheit am Gebrauchtmarkt ist.
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In contrast to the previous models (F550/F530) the output stage front ends in the F570ES are again discrete. The output transistors are
Wie bei allen kleinen ES-Vollverstärkern ist die Phonovorstufe den Endstufen nicht qualitätsäquivalent.
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bipolar types, however, and not power FETs as in subsequent models. In fact, the output stages are (almost) a textbook high-fT
Allerdings,wer sich ein wenig DIY zutraut kann diesen Verstärker mit etwa 100€ an Bauteilen klanglich noch etwas über ursprüngliches Neugerät Niveau heben:
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SEPP Class A/B design. However, with a fairly respectable complement of active elements, as well as separate power supplies for the
http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=50556&start=45
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front end and output stage,resulting in very low distortion and rich output power.
Allerdings entspricht eine derartige Renovierung nicht (!) einer Elkoneubestückung nach dem Gießkannenprinzip mit sog. "audiophilen" Bauteilen,sowie einem
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The passive components are not as impressive. It is indeed equipped with higher quality components than in the mid-range offer
schlichten Opamp-Tausch in der Phonovorstufe,sondern greift schon etwas weiter.
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but doesn't correspond to the quality standard that Sony showed in the larger models of the TA-AX series, which is about ten years older.
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So some savings have been made here. On the other hand, the fat filter capacitors directly behind the rectifiers and the very neat cast heat sink were not stingy.
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New the F570ES was at least with high level sources sonically already top class. And also no-ohmic loads do not drive the fat Sanken power transistors so fast.
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transistors do not sweat as fast as the rather dainty FETs in later models of this series up to the FA30ES.
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However, the ravages of time gnaw especially on the cheap electrolytic capacitors in the power amp front ends, which causes a creeping sound degradation.
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which depending upon continuous use of the equipment more or less clearly comes to light. No wonder that the F570ES is not a rarity on the second hand market.
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As with all small ES integrated amplifiers, the phono preamplifier is not equivalent in quality to the power amplifiers.
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However, who trusts himself a little DIY can raise this amplifier with about 100 € in components still something about original new equipment level:
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http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=50556&start=45
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However, such a renovation does not (!) correspond to a Elkoneubestückung after the watering can principle with so-called "audiophile" components, as well as a simple Opamp exchange in the
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and a simple opamp exchange in the phono preamplifier, but goes a bit further.
 
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Ein paar Schwachstellen offenbaren sich allerdings auch nach ein paar Jahrzehnten. Und zwar völlig unabhängig vom kosmetischen Zustand des Gerätes.
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However, a few weak points reveal themselves even after a few decades. And this is completely independent of the cosmetic condition of the device.
Mehrmals untergekommen sind mir mittlerweile angebruzelte Widerstände in der Spannungsversorgung des Phonoentzerrers,die bei ihrem ableben gerne auch die
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In the meantime, I've come across several resistors in the voltage supply of the phono equalizer, which, when they die, can also kill the downstream
nachfolgenden Längsregler in den Tod reißen und so die Phonovorstufe ausser Funktion setzen. Sicher nicht für jeden wichtig,aber manch einer hängt doch noch
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the following longitudinal regulators to death and thus put the phono preamplifier out of function. Certainly not important for everyone, but some people still connect a
einen Plattenspieler an den Eingang. Seltener geschieht das auch mit den Vorwiderständen am Kopfhörerausgang. Sony hat hier 1/2 Watt Widerstände vorgesehen laut
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a record player to the input. Rarely this also happens with the series resistors at the headphone output. Sony has provided 1/2 Watt resistors here according to the
Servicemanual. Allerdings ist das ein bißchen knapp imho.
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service manual. However, this is a bit tight imho.
Ferner können die LS-Relais,die Eingangs- und Rec-Out Wahlschalter (stauboffen) und das Volumepoti (Alps) Probleme mit Störgeräuschen und /oder Kanalungleichheiten im
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Furthermore the LS relays, the input and rec-out selector switches (dust open) and the volume pot (Alps) can cause problems with noise and/or channel imbalances in the level.
Pegel verursachen. Das zu richten wird dann schon etwas basteliger. Die Relais können ausgewechselt und die Schalter gereinigt werden. Für das Volumepoti gibt es
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level. Fixing this will be a bit more tinkering. The relays can be replaced and the switches cleaned. For the volume pot there is
kein 1:1 Ersatzteil (gekapseltes Alps 2x60kOhm/2x4polig).
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no 1:1 spare part (encapsulated Alps 2x60kOhm/2x4pin).
  
Zur Elkobestückung ist zu sagen das sie bis auf die fetten Elna`s hinter den Gleichrichtern und den beiden grünen Nichicons hinter den Längsreglern im Phonoteil
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The electrolytic capacitors are made of United Chem-Com`s except for the fat Elna`s behind the rectifiers and the two green Nichicons behind the phono
aus United Chem-Com`s besteht. Es wird also solide Industriequalität geboten. Allerdings die maximal 2000-3000 Betriebsstunden für die die Elkohersteller die Bauteilewerte
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consists of United Chem-Com`s. So it offers solid industrial quality. However, the maximum 2000-3000 hours of operation for which the electrolytic capacitor manufacturers guarantee the component values
garantieren sind nach über zwanzig Jahren Laufzeit längst um ein Vielfaches überschritten und der langsame Alterungsprozeß bewirkt auf Dauer in der Summe eben auch auch eine
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are long exceeded after more than twenty years of operation and the slow aging process causes in the long run also a change in the sound - not only in the sound quality but also in the sound quality.
klangliche Veränderung - und zwar nicht wie bei Wein oder Whisky zum Besseren. Entweder dickt der Sound ein,wird unkonturierter und detailärmer,oder aber das genaue Gegenteil
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sound - and not for the better like with wine or whisky. Either the sound thickens, becomes less contoured and less detailed, or the exact opposite happens and the sound becomes paler.
tritt ein und der Sound wird blasser,zweidimensionaler und geht in Richtung pseudoanalytisch. Je nachdem wo sich in der Schaltung welche Bauteilwerte am stärksten verändert
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and the sound becomes paler, more two-dimensional and goes in the direction of pseudo-analytical. Depending on where in the circuit which component values have changed the most
haben hat es unterschiedliche Konsequenzen für den Sound. Und das ist dann auch meistens der Grund warum ein 570er unter den Hammer kommt.
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it has different consequences for the sound. And that's usually the reason why a 570 comes under the hammer.
Man kann also davon ausgehen das ohne DIY dem Amp nicht zu neuwertigem Klang zu verhelfen ist. Insofern sind die mittlerweile aufgerufenen Preise für Gebrauchtgeräte unter dem
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So you can assume that without DIY the amp can not be helped to sound as good as new. In this respect, the meanwhile called prices for used equipment are under the
Moniker von "ES" = "High End" schon recht heftig. Persönlich würde ich keinesfalls mehr wie 100€ investieren,weil ich nochmal dieselbe Summe + ein paar Stunden Zeit aufwenden
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moniker of "ES" = "High End" are quite hefty. Personally I would not invest more than 100€, because I would have to spend the same amount of money + a few hours of time
muss um das Teil wieder so herzurichten wie es über die Ladentheke gekommen ist. Nun,ok,vielleicht am Ende noch ein bißchen besser als neu.
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to get the part back the way it came over the counter. Well,ok,maybe in the end a little better than new.
Aber das ist weder ein F570-spezifisches Ding noch ein Sony-spezifisches,noch ein Gerätespezifisches. Geräte mit 20+ Jahren Laufzeit sind in den seltensten Fällen nicht über-
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But this is not an F570 specific thing, nor a Sony specific thing, nor a device specific thing. Devices with 20+ years of life are rarely not in need of over-
holungsbedürftig. Man muss sich schlicht vergegenwärtigen das es massenproduzierte Konsumwaren sind. Das "Verfallsdatum" ist Teil der Konstruktion. Und bei Vollverstärkern liegt
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needing to be replaced. You simply have to realize that they are mass produced consumer goods. The "expiration date" is part of the construction. And with integrated amplifiers
das in der Regel zwischen 10 bis 15 Jahren. Dann soll der Konsument unzufrieden mit dem Artikel werden und sich was neues zulegen.
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usually between 10 and 15 years. Then the consumer should become dissatisfied with the article and buy something new.
Wer also nicht willens oder in der Lage ist selbst Hand anzulegen,wirft schnell sein Geld zum Fenster raus und fährt mit Neugerät besser.
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So if you are not willing or able to do it yourself, you are throwing your money out the window and will be better off with a new unit.
Für jene die sich eine Renovierung zutrauen,eventuell mit einem gezielten Bauteilupgrade an wichtigen Stellen in der Elektronik: Ihr bekommt einen Amp der Spitzenklasse zum
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For those who dare a renovation, possibly with a targeted component upgrade at important points in the electronics: You get a top class amp for a fraction
Bruchteil des Preises eines Neugerätes. Der F570 ist durchaus besser als z.B. die späteren FA-3er oder die Topamps aus der QS-Reihe.
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fraction of the price of a new unit. The F570 is definitely better than e.g. the later FA-3s or the top amps from the QS series.
 
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Data[edit]

General

  • Manufacturer: Sony
  • Model: TA-F570 ES
  • Type: Integrated amplifier
  • Years of manufacture: 1991 - 1992
  • Color: Black
  • Power consumption: 260 W
  • Dimensions: 430 x 150 x 375 mm (WxHxD)
  • Weight: 12 kg
  • Original price approx.: 700 DM


Technical data

  • continuous power (at distortion factor)
    • 4 Ohm: 2 x 120 W at 0.01%
    • 6 Ohm: 2 x 95 W at 0,006%

8 Ohm: 2 x 90 W at 0.004% *dynamic power (at distortion factor)

  • Dynamic power (with distortion factor)

4 Ohm: 2 x 175 W at 0.01% ** 6 Ohm: 2 x 115 W at 0.01% ** 8 Ohm: 2 x 175 W at 0.006

    • 6 Ohm: 2 x 115 W at 0.006% *dynamic power (with distortion factor)

8 Ohm: 2 x 100 W at 0.004% *Phono input (switched)

  • Phono input (switchable MM or MC).
  • Chinch inputs and outputs gold-plated
  • Headphone jack (jack 3.5 mm) gold-plated
  • REC-Out selector.
  • Housing is satin black and full metal.
  • Damping factor: 100
  • Frequency response: 10Hz - 100kHz
  • Tone control: yes, can be switched off
  • Bass: at 100Hz +-7db

treble: at 10kHz +-6db

  • Loudness: no
  • High Filter: no
  • Mute: yes, -20db
  • Direct/Line-Straight: yes

Connections[edit]

  • 8 inputs: Tuner, CD, Direct In, Tape 1,2, Adapter, Aux (150mV, 20 KOhm), 1x Phono MM/MC (2,5mV, 50KOhm / 0,17mV, 100Ohm)
  • 3 outputs: Tape 1,2 Adaptor (150mV, 1 kOhm)
  • The adaptor loop cannot be switched separately and must always be closed during normal operation. Accordingly, there are two jumpers for it on the rear panel.

The switchable Direct-In input bypasses the Input- and Rec-Out-Selector.

Special features[edit]

See text

Pictures[edit]

Sony TA - F 570 ES.jpg

Remarks[edit]

The F570ES is a mechanically solid,serviceable and cleanly built integrated amplifier based on a classic concept. It offers the usual connectivity of its time, but in detail quite impractical operating features like a not separately switchable adapter loop. adapter loop.

The phono preamplifier was taken over practically 1:1 from the top model of the normal hi-fi program, which was garnished with two branded electrolytic capacitors in the power supply. in the power supply. Different from the mid-range models, however, is the preamplifier. If there is usually an opamp as a the F570ES has a purely passive pre-amp/sound control stage. In contrast to the previous models (F550/F530) the output stage front ends in the F570ES are again discrete. The output transistors are bipolar types, however, and not power FETs as in subsequent models. In fact, the output stages are (almost) a textbook high-fT SEPP Class A/B design. However, with a fairly respectable complement of active elements, as well as separate power supplies for the front end and output stage,resulting in very low distortion and rich output power. The passive components are not as impressive. It is indeed equipped with higher quality components than in the mid-range offer but doesn't correspond to the quality standard that Sony showed in the larger models of the TA-AX series, which is about ten years older. So some savings have been made here. On the other hand, the fat filter capacitors directly behind the rectifiers and the very neat cast heat sink were not stingy.

New the F570ES was at least with high level sources sonically already top class. And also no-ohmic loads do not drive the fat Sanken power transistors so fast. transistors do not sweat as fast as the rather dainty FETs in later models of this series up to the FA30ES. However, the ravages of time gnaw especially on the cheap electrolytic capacitors in the power amp front ends, which causes a creeping sound degradation. which depending upon continuous use of the equipment more or less clearly comes to light. No wonder that the F570ES is not a rarity on the second hand market. As with all small ES integrated amplifiers, the phono preamplifier is not equivalent in quality to the power amplifiers. However, who trusts himself a little DIY can raise this amplifier with about 100 € in components still something about original new equipment level: http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=50556&start=45 However, such a renovation does not (!) correspond to a Elkoneubestückung after the watering can principle with so-called "audiophile" components, as well as a simple Opamp exchange in the and a simple opamp exchange in the phono preamplifier, but goes a bit further.


However, a few weak points reveal themselves even after a few decades. And this is completely independent of the cosmetic condition of the device. In the meantime, I've come across several resistors in the voltage supply of the phono equalizer, which, when they die, can also kill the downstream the following longitudinal regulators to death and thus put the phono preamplifier out of function. Certainly not important for everyone, but some people still connect a a record player to the input. Rarely this also happens with the series resistors at the headphone output. Sony has provided 1/2 Watt resistors here according to the service manual. However, this is a bit tight imho. Furthermore the LS relays, the input and rec-out selector switches (dust open) and the volume pot (Alps) can cause problems with noise and/or channel imbalances in the level. level. Fixing this will be a bit more tinkering. The relays can be replaced and the switches cleaned. For the volume pot there is no 1:1 spare part (encapsulated Alps 2x60kOhm/2x4pin).

The electrolytic capacitors are made of United Chem-Com`s except for the fat Elna`s behind the rectifiers and the two green Nichicons behind the phono consists of United Chem-Com`s. So it offers solid industrial quality. However, the maximum 2000-3000 hours of operation for which the electrolytic capacitor manufacturers guarantee the component values are long exceeded after more than twenty years of operation and the slow aging process causes in the long run also a change in the sound - not only in the sound quality but also in the sound quality. sound - and not for the better like with wine or whisky. Either the sound thickens, becomes less contoured and less detailed, or the exact opposite happens and the sound becomes paler. and the sound becomes paler, more two-dimensional and goes in the direction of pseudo-analytical. Depending on where in the circuit which component values have changed the most it has different consequences for the sound. And that's usually the reason why a 570 comes under the hammer. So you can assume that without DIY the amp can not be helped to sound as good as new. In this respect, the meanwhile called prices for used equipment are under the moniker of "ES" = "High End" are quite hefty. Personally I would not invest more than 100€, because I would have to spend the same amount of money + a few hours of time to get the part back the way it came over the counter. Well,ok,maybe in the end a little better than new. But this is not an F570 specific thing, nor a Sony specific thing, nor a device specific thing. Devices with 20+ years of life are rarely not in need of over- needing to be replaced. You simply have to realize that they are mass produced consumer goods. The "expiration date" is part of the construction. And with integrated amplifiers usually between 10 and 15 years. Then the consumer should become dissatisfied with the article and buy something new. So if you are not willing or able to do it yourself, you are throwing your money out the window and will be better off with a new unit. For those who dare a renovation, possibly with a targeted component upgrade at important points in the electronics: You get a top class amp for a fraction fraction of the price of a new unit. The F570 is definitely better than e.g. the later FA-3s or the top amps from the QS series.